Morrissey was right by Lushington D. Brady - The BFD

Isn't the problem that humans think of animals as lesser species? Therefore giving us the right to do with them as we please?

Aren't you admitting then that such thinking is valid when you call Chinese "subspecies"?

It's a self-defeating argument. The fact that it's also racist merely seals the deal.

Chinese who take no part in wet markets are being subjected to discrimination and hate crimes. It's harder to effect a positive change in the world when debate gets shut down because racist @sshats poisoned the entire discussion. It is perfectly possible to raise awareness of and fight against barbaric customs without being racist about it and defeating yourself and sullying your movement.
 
Isn't the problem that humans think of animals as lesser species? Therefore giving us the right to do with them as we please?

Aren't you admitting then that such thinking is valid when you call Chinese "subspecies"?

It's a self-defeating argument. The fact that it's also racist merely seals the deal.

Chinese who take no part in wet markets are being subjected to discrimination and hate crimes. It's harder to effect a positive change in the world when debate gets shut down because racist @sshats poisoned the entire discussion. It is perfectly possible to raise awareness of and fight against barbaric customs without being racist about it and defeating yourself and sullying your movement.
Most human societies around the world generally think of animals as lesser species, but the level of extreme cruelty and torture treated as normal in these "wet markets" is exclusive to only a very few countries. I mean, this stuff is on another level. So yes it is a sub-section of humanity that engages in these practices. That's what "subspecies" means - a separate category of a species, not necessarily a lesser one. It's not racist to identify a category of human behavior found in one culture as distinct from others. I'm not being naive - he obviously didn't mean it as a compliment because he's rightly appalled by it. But subspecies is not a racist term to have used - given the barbarism he's condemning he could have gone harder. You say the way he phrased it poisons the discussion, but if he'd been less tactless and inflammatory would it even be a discussion? So much has been made of that quote. I think it was certainly a misjudgment on his part and sadly most of the debate is, typically, tediously, discussing whether he's racist. But as the article in the opening post shows, some people are asking if he might have a point.

Obviously not every single one of China's 1.4 billion population thinks and behaves the same way. There are Chinese animal rights groups with hearts of gold working tirelessly to protect these poor creatures and shut these markets down. To be accurate, to be morally virtuous, should he have pointed this out? Sure. We don't even know for sure that he didn't expound further as even the original interview quotes that single statement in isolation. But Morrissey has a history of not stating the obvious. His point is: "this is where this is happening". This is ONLY where this is happening - WHY? He treats people as smart enough to know what he means, or too dumb to worry about if they don't.

Did you call him racist when he boycotted the entirety of Canada even though vegetarian Canadians exist and very few go bludgeoning baby seals on the streets of Toronto? People understood it was from a place of anger at animal cruelty, not bigotry. He similarly blanket-attacks another country, explicitly stating it's the treatment of the animals he's upset about, but this time suddenly it must be racism.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if he felt his support for them was no longer worth the hassle. His support for them was never as feverishy ardent as his detractors portrayed it. A small lapel badge, and a comment about UKIP being too sexist to elect a woman as leader, and all of a sudden the man who sang "It takes guts to be gentle and kind" has transformed into Hitler. Did it ever ring true?

But absolutely; Animal liberation, gay rights and feminism are just three very humane reasons he would have supported them over any racist motives. Incidentally three values he has very famously espoused in lyrics and interviews since the Smiths. So why anyone would have gone straight to him suddenly turning far-right for his motives after all these decades defies any sense.
You speak well black skull and you speak the truth. Morrissey is a good man, a strong man with opinions and a hero to millions around the World, the so called ex fans who decided to jump ship then feebly attempted to derail his career should do the decent thing and back off because even they know, deep down that Moz always wins in the end.
 
Hello to everyone.

We had to join up to this site as we're huge Smiths and Morrissey fans. Not ones for posting on social media, but seeing as our mate Trevor aka Uncleskinny continues to post his left wing anti Morrissey bollocks on this site we thought we'd sign up and inform a few people of the real Trev!

Trev's nickname is cabbage head, the guy is a complete moron. Think of the fattest melonheaded smelly scruffy annoying kid at school and this is Trev. Trev has had one girlfriend (or so he says, no one ever saw her). He spends most hours every days on his xbox. Everyone ignores him, he turns up to bars and tries to talk to everyone about how much he hates Tories and Morrissey. People remind him that he used to have an almost gay fascination with Morrissey and constantly tell him to F*** off. Oh and he really does stink, especially his breath.

Anyway loving the new Moz album.

Good bye from Bd6

And you sound like a lovely person
 
I haven't read all the comments here, so this might be redundant. I think calling the Chinese a sub-species is pretty stupid because it diverts attention from the actual point that, it seems we are generally agreed, Morrissey was trying to make. If Moz wants to champion animal rights, then he would achieve more by giving focused information on the issues rather than chucking out hazy provocations with little content to them. But there should - I do believe - be more focus on China's various abuses.

Their human rights record is appalling.
They are persecuting the Uighur to the point of ethnic cleansing.
They are consistently aggressive in their global 'diplomacy' (for instance, in blocking the UN from recognising Taiwanese independence).
Their medicine is endangering various species.
There is some concern that their communication technologies may be used for spying.
And, yes, their eating habits involve an unusual degree of cruelty.

Here is some footage of various creatures being cooked/eaten alive in China:



And this, which almost made me throw up:

 
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