Margaret Thatcher dies at 87

Margaret Thatcher dead

Subject of the Viva Hate song " Margaret on the Guillotine" has died today
British Prime Minister from 1979 until 1990 (?)
Morrissey also infamously wished her demise in the Brighton bombing of 1984
Wonder if we'll get comment on True to You?
 
It's too convoluted to explain without writing a huge thesis. I was trying to explain to !Viva Hate! but gave up because, even though I've studied it extensively and live here, I can't make much sense of it. My solution is to completely bin the whole received opinion and start from the basics. There's 2 islands geographically with various political tribes and cultural tribes who over centuries have remixed themselves into a bizarre melting pot. Most of the people on the island of Ireland long ago had enough of some of the Norman Tory Whores campaigns of mass murder and broke away, but their own leaders turned out to be bonkers as well, so there's a huge Irish presence on the island of Britain for economic refugee reasons. The 'United Kingdom' concept is to do with one 'royal' family and a bunch of in-bred aristocrats trying to run the place since 1066. "British" means what you want it to mean, depending on your underlying ideological perspective, but if you were born or live on the island of Britain you are, to some extent. currently British. If you live on or were born on the island of Ireland you are, to varying degrees, Irish. There are places like the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands who are something else altoghether and they get really angry if they're called 'just British'. The Nazis invaded the Channel Islands so lots of Brits don't like the idea of recognising them as it means accepting we were under his thumb even slightly. Also, they are posh ponces and closer to France than Britain and full of snooty tax exile banksters. A lot of the seriously crazy people from these islands left/escaped/were expelled to American and the Antipodes. In America, they were finally free to be completely nutso and form the Tea Party in Appalachia whilst watching Fox News in their double-wide mobile,etc. We're glad those types pissed off, as we're now increasingly agnostic or atheist. Only Queen Elizarbeast 11's personality stop the Disunited Kingdom disintegrating, when her loopy son Charles takes over, it will all kick off as he'd have us all back with a scythe in the fields. Danny Boyle managed to single-handedly destroy the United Kingdom by naming his Olympic Opening Ceremony "Isles Of Wonder". It was the single most revolutionary art terrorist event ever to happen here, it was for us, we didn't give a damn what the rest of the world thought. We (or some of us) went all over the world enslaving other people, now complain cuz some of their kids have turned up to make London the most exciting (and expensive) place on the planet. That's why I know loads of Yanks who love it here despite the taxes and the weather (and they love not facing bankruptcy if they get appendicitis, etc).

The funniest comment on Thatcher's death was on Twitter by someone called "Diana.In Heaven" who tweeted: "No, she's not here!"

I am seriously curious about America as they might destroy the world like the Brits tried to do. This article from Joe Bageant is really, really good. In describing America he provides an extraordinary insight into the history and culture of these Isles of Wonder, a culture which,as far as I can see, is the most influential in history, for good and for ill. The whole mess started here, so it's plausible that the solutions might also emerge from this absolutely bonkers melting-pot cauldron of wet islands off the North West coast of Europa. Or from America. Same place, mostly..

http://www.dailypaul.com/133101/how-the-scots-irish-screwed-up-america


Thank you for the insightful response. I have always been fascinated by your history and culture; I think that many Americans are because there is still an underlying connection to England because of our origin. (Just think of us as spoiled, obnoxious grandchildren; the kind the come to visit, eat a nice meal, and then steal from Nan's purse while she is in the toilet.) While I do agree with many of your perceptions about "the ugly American", please remember that not all of us are that way, and many of us are mortified by those that behave horribly when traveling abroad. I was fortunate to visit London a few years ago, and I can assure you that I was on my best behavior. As for fearing that America will destroy the world, that will not happen. Obviously, we learned ethnocentrism and imperialism from the best, and twenty to thirty years ago, we were a formidable power; but, today, Americans are too lazy and unimaginative to get anything of importance accomplished. The greatest fear is that everyone here will get so fat that it will cause major tectonic shifting and wreak havoc on the entire planet. As for Thatcher, I am not a religioius person, so I do not believe in hell; but for amusement's sake, if she is there, I am sure that she is wearing her best S & M outfit with a giant strap-on, reaming Mr. Reagan. Those two were always as thick as thieves, and poor frail, asexual Nancy is watching from the sidelines.
 
Just a note from America: one of the national nightly news broadcasts actually addressed the lingering contempt and resentment that is felt by many concerning the economic and political policies that she enacted. They showed protesters, current and from the past, and they mentioned the anti-Margaret songs that were listed earlier in this thread. ( I came in late, so I do not know if Morrissey was in the mix), Just wanted to let you know that there is occasionally an open-minded news report; of course, every other report that I saw was quite fawning and sickening.
 
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The fact that Reagan got his, and Thatcher got hers (ie long, slow, debilitating, degrading, painful demises) is about the only thing that could convince me that there is a benificent and righteous higher power at play in this universe.

How about a campaign for Costello for Number 1. That would be beautiful. If Ant & Dec can do it....

 
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Thatcher is a good example why feminists will never succeed to unite and move things forward. As soon as a woman is strong and gets some power these feminists will show their true marxist self and turn on her. At the time the UK was on the verge of being bankrupt and the future looked very bleak. It wasn't as if Thatcher changed things just to be evil because these changes were inevitable.

We all know how Britain changed as a result of her changes and most people in the UK today own their own houses and have made enormous earnings on their own homes and been able to use a lot of their increased value on lending more money to go on holiday and buying consumer products. This generated more jobs than ever because you have to sell products and services to be able to employ people.

It is a bit funny that The Clash frontman Joe Strummer went from hating Thatcher to feeling he missed her type of person just years before he died. He felt the lady had balls and that people of today lack that.

Female feminists seem to have a hard time accepting other women that are successful and they also fail to support the millions of muslim women that need their help and support to stop being bullied by a religion. I predict that Thatchers death will lead to a big setback for the feminist movement as people in general are sick of seeing people of dubious backgrounds celebrating the death of someone that at least tried to achieve something in life. I'm not a fan of Thatcher and never will be but with time comes the realisation and insight into how the times then forced her to make drastical changes to move things forward.

We will all die and those celebrating her death will feel stupid when someone dear to them passes away and when they themselves are facing death. Never before has it been so clear to me how anti-democratic and old hat the marxists are as they fail to realise what needs to be done and that everyone cannot have what others may have as these things cannot be shared or just handed out to anyone like some charity. Some people need to grow up and take a long hard look at themselves and also realise that the media in power really despise them and will not tolerate them to become any sort of threat to the decent and modern society we now all live in. May those marxists be doomed to become a bad example of a past we never want to see again. They have no place in this world and will be met by force from the authorities until they are gone.
 
an economy built on credit is not much better than a house built on sand. Germany has a lot less home ownership yet a far more stable economy with a less wealth inequality based on manufacturing industry, not non-existent money which is mainly based on make-believe credit.

as for 'Marxists being met by force from authorities' that sounds like the worst excesses of a fascist state.
 
you know, even though I hate much of what Thatcher represented :sick:
I do have to thank her for teaching me an important lesson when I was but a boy :o
and that is that women in positions of power and authority can be just as callous and ruthless as us men :cool:
I will never forget that, so thanks Maggie :rolleyes:
 
Wanting her dead when she is in power is one thing, but it's different when she is just an inconsequential human being. I am not concerned with how anyone "should" feel, but I think if you're feeling rage it's just because she serves as a focus for ill feelings you already have. Maybe it's a healthy release but it could be an indicator that you are holding on to negative energy. If you find yourself very angry at Thatcher, cut back on your sugar and caffeine, get more exercise, eat whole natural foods, and look into some means of relaxation, a nice hobby, maybe. I'm totally serious. I understand that this was a horrible person but the people allowed her to do it. They all do it because we allow it. Try to find where your hate is coming from and work it out.
 
an economy built on credit is not much better than a house built on sand. Germany has a lot less home ownership yet a far more stable economy with a less wealth inequality based on manufacturing industry, not non-existent money which is mainly based on make-believe credit.

as for 'Marxists being met by force from authorities' that sounds like the worst excesses of a fascist state.

The facts are there and we can never go back to an old system that failed to deliver solutions for the future. Marxists are just people that were destroyed at kindergarten and wore too soft clothes and got pampered. They feel they should be given rights and things just cause the country they live in is theirs.

The war on marxism has just begun and a fascist state is of course better than a marxist one. Paulo DiCanio knows better than any young british student of today.
 
The facts are there and we can never go back to an old system that failed to deliver solutions for the future. Marxists are just people that were destroyed at kindergarten and wore too soft clothes and got pampered. They feel they should be given rights and things just cause the country they live in is theirs.

The war on marxism has just begun and a fascist state is of course better than a marxist one. Paulo DiCanio knows better than any young british student of today.

Are you being satirical? Or has someone removed your gall bladder? I suppose all those countries in Latin Anerica following a socialist edict through a democratic platform are fundamentally wrong?

As for citing Paolo Di Canio as a political thinker of some repute did you see that V neck he wore on Saturday? Someone should have called the Fashionista police
 
I'm not a person who gets angry very much but this funeral thing is a disgrace.
I guarantee we will never be told where her remains will be put.
At least with every other political leader Britain has had we know where their remains have been put.
There will never ever be a statue of her in public view.
Unlike other people in British history.
Good old Glenda says it about right.
I love the way the speaker shuts the pompous Tory up at the end.
 

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I'm not a person who gets angry very much but this funeral thing is a disgrace.
I guarantee we will never be told where her remains will be put.
At least with every other political leader Britain has had we know where their remains have been put.
There will never ever be a statue of her in public view.
Unlike other people in British history.
Good old Glenda says it about right.
I love the way the speaker shuts the pompous Tory up at the end.


Her remains are going with her husbands at some hospital in Chelsea so can I cash in the guarantee please
 
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Wanting her dead when she is in power is one thing, but it's different when she is just an inconsequential human being. I am not concerned with how anyone "should" feel, but I think if you're feeling rage it's just because she serves as a focus for ill feelings you already have. Maybe it's a healthy release but it could be an indicator that you are holding on to negative energy. If you find yourself very angry at Thatcher, cut back on your sugar and caffeine, get more exercise, eat whole natural foods, and look into some means of relaxation, a nice hobby, maybe. I'm totally serious. I understand that this was a horrible person but the people allowed her to do it. They all do it because we allow it. Try to find where your hate is coming from and work it out.

Intresting thoughts here! :)
Yes there does seem 2 be an unpresidented amount of "hate" 2wards maggie thatcher and "ulgy" celibration at someones death !

Hate can be a VERY harmfull emotion and condition, it can complety destroy u if u allow it!
I think of all the human emotions we can expereice, jealosy is probably the most harmfull.

" He who seeks revenge, best dig 2 graves!"


But anyways.......................
As you corrctley say (as indeed morrissey has in his statment about margaret thatcher)
She propbally had good intentions when she become prime minister and wanted 2 do good ect.
But unfortunatly she was surrounded by unsaviouly characters within goverment and these people brainwashed her even futher into making even more errors and judgements. :(
In darkness there darkened eyes become blind and there ears become filled with deafness!!!

It is correct 2 say, Maggie thatchers lagacy will be "transformed" and the " truth mutated by lies" about her "acheivements" or lack thereof!
Her lagacy will certainly be "protected" as goverments refuse 2 accept "blame" 4 any earlier prime ministers mistakes and incompetance ect in order 2 mask there own similar and same incompetance and negligence in the present, by continuing the trend of those in "power" from the past!!!! ! :(


there's a Facebook campaign to get that Judy Garland opus to #1 in time for the 'ceremonial funeral', about which "I predict a riot".


Yea I know! I do feel this "banning" of "ding dong the witch is dead" song and preventing it from getting to number one in the charts is ridiculoues!
The song was released weeks before thatcher passed away, it has nothing whatso ever 2 do with or about her!

Its not like when the sex pisptols released "god save the queen" in perfect timing 2 celibrate the queens jubilee, which WAS a song released about the queen which explicitly attacked her and the monachy and what is stands 4!

The sex pistols were a celibration of uk music, "never mind the bollocks" was and is the greatest album ever wrote in history! :) I still listen 2 it even now!

Its Ironic when one thinks about it, that the viynal single "god save the queen" on the A + M lable, is now one of the most sought after, collecected and valuable records in world! :)
Worth far more than any beatles records! ect
 
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Intresting thoughts here! :)
Yes there does seem 2 be an unpresidented amount of "hate" 2wards maggie thatcher and "ulgy" celibration at someones death !

Hate can be a VERY harmfull emotion and condition, it can complety destroy u if u allow it!
I think of all the human emotions we can expereice, jealosy is probably the most harmfull.

" He who seeks revenge, best dig 2 graves!"


But anyways.......................
As you corrctley say (as indeed morrissey has in his statment about margaret thatcher)
She propbally had good intentions when she become prime minister and wanted 2 do good ect.
But unfortunatly she was surrounded by unsaviouly characters within goverment and these people brainwashed her even futher into making even more errors and judgements. :(
In darkness there darkened eyes become blind and there ears become filled with deafness!!!

It is correct 2 say, Maggie thatchers lagacy will be "transformed" and the " truth mutated by lies" about her "acheivements" or lack thereof!
Her lagacy will certainly be "protected" as goverments refuse 2 accept "blame" 4 any earlier prime ministers mistakes and incompetance ect in order 2 mask there own similar and same incompetance and negligence in the present, by continuing the trend of those in "power" from the past!!!! ! :(





Yea I know! I do feel this "banning" of "ding dong the witch is dead" song and preventing it from getting to number one in the charts is ridiculoues!
The song was released weeks before thatcher passed away, it has nothing whatso ever 2 do with or about her!

Its not like when the sex pisptols released "god save the queen" in perfect timing 2 celibrate the queens jubilee, which WAS a song released about the queen which explicitly attacked her and the monachy and what is stands 4!

The sex pistols were a celibration of uk music, "never mind the bollocks" was and is the greatest album ever wrote in history! :) I still listen 2 it even now!

Its Ironic when one thinks about it, that the viynal single "god save the queen" on the A + M lable, is now one of the most sought after, collecected and valuable records in world! :)
Worth far more than any beatles records! ect

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f***wit.
 
Hey! It's a good job Savile's dead as he'd probably fcuk Thatcher in the morgue. Once he'd dressed her in her primary school uniform, that is!" Should I tweet that? Will I get on 'Mock The Week/Have I Got News For You, Muvvavukka': or am I 'a bit much', a 'a bit OTT'? .the only thing I censor is kiddie porn: and those who cover it up. Did that include Thatcher as well as the Police, BBC and Catholic hierarchy? Our investigations continue and intensify...roll on Wednesday.

She had to know. He was a security risk like everyone else. If she didn't know then the IRA would have been able to blow her away.Talk about a 'smoking gun'! Icke is dismissed because of the 'lizard' stuff, but I can't be. Unless the British Etablishment can explain how a Papal and Royal Knight managed to shag hundreds in a camper van without MI5 knowing, then I can't see any rational way to 'dismiss' this line of enquiry. Of course, there's also his 'relationship' with the Irish underworld to consider, which MI5 didn't have a clue about...yeah right! But for 'national unity' I'm meant to 'respect' her, at least until she's cremated in the fires of hell on Wednesday. Hope she wakes up whilst she burns, etc. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-and-the-ira-predator-boasted-1389710
 
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Video footage of Margaret Thatcher delivering an anti-gay speech in 1987. :sick:

 
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