Morrissey A-Z: "Trash" (live cover)

Janice

Well-Known Member
It’s fascinating that the debate of who was the main man in the smiths still rages on and on.

For me it was Morrissey his voice, his vocal delivery and of course the words, for which I’d never heard the like..

Then I realised that Johnnys contribution to the project was just as important and impressive.

I think that if your a musician playing whatever, then I would imagine that Johnny would have sucked you in, as like Morrissey, he was special, marr was and still is a special guitarist ...
JM’s contribution was probably more but, Morrissey is the Smiths.
That’s not to reduce or take away JM’s legacy with the band, it’s just how the public perceive the Smiths.
First thing anyone would think upon hearing the Smiths mentioned would be Morrissey 99/100
 

The Wild Turkey

Wild T!
Turkerator
Always liked Moz's version of Trash, just cause of how loose it is.
It's not like ya gonna do a better version than the Dolls, but they
did still kinda catch the same energy.
Pretty sure there was a story where one time Moz did Trash live
and the drummer Spencer played a completely different song.
 

Carlislebaz

Cock of the north
JM’s contribution was probably more but, Morrissey is the Smiths.
That’s not to reduce or take away JM’s legacy with the band, it’s just how the public perceive the Smiths.
First thing anyone would think upon hearing the Smiths mentioned would be Morrissey 99/100
That’s because he’s the front man Janice...

Think Rolling Stones and who comes to mind .... yes
Mick Jagger.

Yes your right with JM contribution,
He done everything but 4king sing.
 

Carlislebaz

Cock of the north
Always liked Moz's version of Trash, just cause of how loose it is.
It's not like ya gonna do a better version than the Dolls, but they
did still kinda catch the same energy.
Pretty sure there was a story where one time Moz did Trash live
and the drummer Spencer played a completely different song.
I’ve heard that story before, was there a journalist at the front who had been giving moz some bad press and moz knew he was watching??
 

The Wild Turkey

Wild T!
Turkerator
I’ve heard that story before, was there a journalist at the front who had been giving moz some bad press and moz knew he was watching??

Guess the drummer Spencer didn't believe he was drummin' the wrong
song, so Moz played the tape back for'em and the drummer Spencer said,
"Well whata ya know. It is the wrong song." :lbf:
 

Gregor Samsa

I straighten up, and my position is one of hope.
I agree. For as I already stated in my post ...

their musicianship was nothing less than magical, but most were there for what Morrissey brought to that collaboration.’
You said most were there for what Moz brought to the collaboration, I say I think most were there for what both Moz and Marr brought. Equal measures.
 

Gregor Samsa

I straighten up, and my position is one of hope.
If the words were shit, they would have been successful anyway, but they wouldn’t have been as mythical or legendary as they are now and forever will be. And if the words were great and the music shit, Moz would’ve been deemed a cult figure, but there wouldn’t have been any success. That’s what I think.
 

Ketamine Sun

HANG THEM HIGH VERONICA
If the words were shit, they would have been successful anyway, but they wouldn’t have been as mythical or legendary as they are now and forever will be.

I think that depends on how much the label would have backed them, how much money they would have poured into them.


And if the words were great and the music shit, Moz would’ve been deemed a cult figure, but there wouldn’t have been any success. That’s what I think.

Any other bands as examples you can give ?
 

Gregor Samsa

I straighten up, and my position is one of hope.
I think that depends on how much the label would have backed them, how much money they would have poured into them.




Any other bands as examples you can give ?
Where the lyrics have been great and the music not so great? Not sure. Is it important for this hypothetical situation? Mostly there is a marriage between the two, or the lyrics take a backseat to the music. But I don’t think the Smiths would have been successful if the music and melodies weren’t as good as they were.
 

Ketamine Sun

HANG THEM HIGH VERONICA
Where the lyrics have been great and the music not so great? Not sure. Is it important for this hypothetical situation?
Just wondering if there was an example you could point to.
Mostly there is a marriage between the two, or the lyrics take a backseat to the music. But I don’t think the Smiths would have been successful if the music and melodies weren’t as good as they were.

Yeah maybe. Depends on how one defines success. I take it you mean, not as successful as they became.
 

Gregor Samsa

I straighten up, and my position is one of hope.
Just wondering if there was an example you could point to.


Yeah maybe. Depends on how one defines success. I take it you mean, not as successful as they became.
I’m sure there are examples, but it’s much easier to find bands with shit lyrics and great music.

That’s correct.
 

Ketamine Sun

HANG THEM HIGH VERONICA

But I don’t think the Smiths would have been successful if the music and melodies weren’t as good as they were.

But I’d like to add ...

besides Marr’s skills and the chemistry of the band as a whole, they were in the the right place at the right time. The sound
was what people wanted at that time
in contrast to what was popular.
 

Gregor Samsa

I straighten up, and my position is one of hope.
But I’d like to add ...

besides Marr’s skills and the chemistry of the band as a whole, they were in the the right place at the right time. The sound
was what people wanted at that time
in contrast to what was popular.
Some did, most still wanted MJ, Madonna, Culture Club, Prince, Wham!, etc. But yeah, there was definitely a gap to be filled, and bands like the Smiths and the Cure filled that gap. I still think, however, that the music of the Smiths was exceptional and that it would probably have resonated with people no matter the era.
 

Ketamine Sun

HANG THEM HIGH VERONICA
Some did, most still wanted MJ, Madonna, Culture Club, Prince, Wham!, etc. But yeah, there was definitely a gap to be filled, and bands like the Smiths and the Cure filled that gap.
It was because of them, in a way, that The Smiths are who or what they are, so in a sense, Morrissey and Marr should be thanking them. Lol
I still think, however, that the music of the Smiths was exceptional and that it would probably have resonated with people no matter the era.

Being the ‘mozbot’ that I’m labeled as, I guess one would think I’d agree
with that, but I’m not entirely sure if that would be the case. That’s not to say that there wouldn’t be anyone to like them in a different era, but the the influential impact and level of success would of course be different.
 
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Gregor Samsa

I straighten up, and my position is one of hope.
It was because of them, in a way, that The Smiths are who or what they are, so in a sense, Morrissey and Marr should be thanking them. Lol


Being the ‘mozbot’ that I’m labeled as, I guess one would think I’d agree
with that, but I’m not entirely sure if that would be the case. That’s not to say that there wouldn’t be anyone to like them in a different era, but the the influential impact and level of success would of course be different.
True!

Yeah, maybe!
 

Mozmar

Well-Known Member
Always liked Moz's version of Trash, just cause of how loose it is.
It's not like ya gonna do a better version than the Dolls, but they
did still kinda catch the same energy.
Pretty sure there was a story where one time Moz did Trash live
and the drummer Spencer played a completely different song.
Indeed, it's mentioned in autobiog:

"Two years later, in Paris, Nick Kent [British music writer] is visible in the crowd as my new band launch into our comic-opera version of the New York Dolls’ Trash (although comic opera was never the intent). I am confused by Kent’s presence since his repulsion had made itself clear throughout his Morrissey assassination for The Face. Unfortunately for me, during this rendition of Trash, drummer Spencer plays an entirely different song throughout. Looking all Dostoevsky in a caped coat, Nick Kent lets loose a cold-blooded smile as the song blunders on and on and on with nothing to save it from death. Backstage my rage is soaked in sorrow, but Spencer displays only scorn. Weeks later, having heard a bootleg of the Paris night, Spencer now has no choice but to confess. ‘Yes, I was playing a completely different song,’ he laughs.

Abandon all hope ye who sing here."
 
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