Talk:Morrissey Live

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Trying to come up with a format for shows. I figure off the tour detail page we should have a link for the date. This should allow one for the venue if people make a page for that. It makes the heading of the page look odd so I'll see if I can change that somehow. To start the show page I started with Venue and then Set List under that. The set list is linked to each song as well. After that I assume show notes will come. Finally, links to commercial bootlegs with info that pertains to the show and the bootleg. Seem reasonable? -MR

Davidt: Yes that sounds reasonable. Maybe a new column 'info' and perhaps another column 'audio'?

I was thinking info would point to the 'post-show' links that are on the Morrissey-solo tour pages, that would cover shows going back to 1997. There are set lists and concert summaries / photos / videos / reviews already. A drawback is the info is not in the wiki, so songs won't be linked.

Take a look at the MuseWiki tour page for filename / page conventions to follow. We don't need to follow it exactly, if you think there are better ways of doing things by all means try it out / experiment.,_2009%E2%80%932011#2011

Before filling out too many details, let's get the format to a point we are satisfied with.

Yeah, that's why I figured I'd just do the one :D. If I can get the format down hopefully I can script this and go from raw data to formatted page and upload a ton of stuff in a short amount of time. I also didn't realize that the Musewiki was an actual band thing so I'll definitely check out the format for that. I also started poking around other stuff here too. I was going to try taking the song detail box like at Disappointed. I was going to link the M-S post show threads from there. That's going to be tonights work. I'll also add the Contents box that's there. Maybe in a day or two we have a format we like and I can start working on the scripting.

Cool, glad we're on the same page. MuseWiki has a template for the tour info page which we can use / modify. I think it's similar to the song detail box. No time stress on filling out the data but if you have it to upload that's great. This will probably be a big work in progress for years to come. Viva hate may have some data and some ideas on the formatting.

Instead of 1991-05-01 as the page title, something more descriptive would be better. Perhaps something like "Tour_{date}_{city / festival}"? for ex. "Tour_1991-05-02_Utrecht". Perhaps also indicate The Smiths or Morrissey?

Ok cool. I see how to create a useful page title off a different link now. I'd like to make a suggestion though. For songs linked from live shows I think the Muse format of SONGNAME_(song) is a bit cleaner. Then you would have something like SUEDEHEAD_(single) page and SUEDEHEAD_(song). It'll standardize the links in the Shows pages without having to remember which songs had a single released.

davidt: Viva Hate originally entered the title of the song as the wiki title and we discussed the song naming convention, I think the template added the (single) text automatically. Originally I did think following the Muse format would be best, with the added (song) for clarity but now I think it's actually cleaner the way we have it. For the set lists or other places songs are listed, instead of having to remove (song) from the display, it's easier to list all the songs and remove (single) from display and add it to the link when necessary. Alternatively, we could also add redirects for the singles. I'll go ahead and add an example now. Thanks for the suggestion, let me know if that logic doesn't make sense.

I just changed updated the tour date wiki page name with more details: Utrecht,_Holland_1991-05-02_(Morrissey_concert)

<hr\> Please look at the first show of the 1991 tour and give me feedback on siting set list to PJLM.


DT: Thanks MR, looks good!

<hr\> MR: OK, I'll fix the current shows before adding new ones. It's pretty easy to add that to my scripted stuff.

MR: 1991 done but took much longer than expected. Going to move to a tour that has M-S content next. But going to pick a short one lol

DT: thanks MR, loks good. I know doing these pages right with proper credits will take a bit of work. But once it's done, it will be set for years, or decades, or longer :-)

MR: Want to suggest a few changes that will make it easier on my input but not sure if you'll agree with the stylistic implications, so please let me know. These would all be reflected in the Related Items section of a show:

Change the venue info from <City>, <Country> - <Venue> to <Venue>, <City>, <Country> This is the same format as the information at the top of a show page. Change date format from <MM DD, YYYY> to <YYYY-MM-DD> This is the same format as information listed on the tour leg page.

So for Perth, the link back to M-S post show becomes:

 Perth Concert Hall, Perth, Scotland (2011-06-15) post-show - Morrissey-solo

This makes it much easier for me to semi-automate the data input.

DT: That's great. Sure, you can change the format, usually I just use the title of the link but the new format is clear also. That's cool you have some scripts / automation.

MR: I'm spending quite a bit of time digging out the specific post from M-S where users post the set lists. Is this what you'd like me to do or is a link to the post show page and the users name sufficient? Either way is fine with me, I just wanted to ask.

DT: Yes, that must be a little tedious. Since the details are in the post-show link, don't worry about a link to the actual source, the credit is fine. If you want to leave it generic to save some time I or someone else can even go in later and add the credit. Thanks!

MR: Ok, 2011 tour is done. Think I'll work on filling out the tour legs for every year next. When are you looking to publish this anyway?

DT: Thanks MR, awesome job! From the main wiki page there is a link to the to-do list: Morrissey-solo_Wiki:To_Do where I have a tentative target release date of Aug. 27. This can be adjusted. On your end is it ready to go? If you are still filling out info after release that is fine - it will give an example to others to see how pages are updated. I think in the next year or two there will likely be a lot of frequent updates. I just started going through the site history for content and have only gotten through the first year.

MR: Seems good to me. If you're happy with the output format so far then that means your templates are good to go. I'd like to complete the data for the tour years before it goes up but 8/27 gives more than enough time for that.

MR: There are 3 shows in Feb 2007 (1-3). They're a few months before the Greatest Hits Tour starts (4/27) and a month after the Tormentors tour ends (12/23). Which tour would you like those shows with? --Answer, never mind. Did some research of TTY and the presale password for the Feb gigs is Ringleader and the password changes to GREATESTHITS for the others. So they go on the end of the Tormentors tour.