For Britain YT: "We're proud to stand with Morrissey" (April 20, 2021)

gashonthenail

Well-Known Member
You mentioned whites being a minority.

Trying to gauge how much provision might be needed isn't the same as obsessing over being outnumbered.

Nonsense. Catholics are.

Morrissey hates all meat slaughter - but Islam is adaptable & is considering other methods. They have laws about not causing pain & the original law was to prevent people becoming sick after eating carrion. Most UK halal meat is stunned via electricity rather than a bolt gun.

Anne Marie has never shown a blind bit of interest in Morrissey beyond using him to get attention.

The proportion of Catholics who go to Mass these days is tiny. Even in Ireland.

Talking about numbers is all the rage. The woke do it all the time. When AMW does it - she's 'obsessing'. But you cannot escape the facts of the demographics. Although you seem determined to ignore them.
 

Nerak

Reverse Ferret
The proportion of Catholics who go to Mass these days is tiny. Even in Ireland.

Talking about numbers is all the rage. The woke do it all the time. When AMW does it - she's 'obsessing'. But you cannot escape the facts of the demographics. Although you seem determined to ignore them.

I go to Mass, our numbers are not tiny.

You don't care about facts, all you care about is your replacement fantasy.
 

Nerak

Reverse Ferret
The state of David Quantick. He's now thrilled to be in The Philip Larkin society.

That's the Philip who wrote some extremely racist letters & was right-wing.

The Word really was just personal spite.

20210423_140634.jpg


IMG_20210423_140556.jpg
 
A

Anonymous

Guest
They have nothing in common.

And Morrissey does support Black Lives Matter.

Nice to see you'll got another heap of bullsh*t lined up for the end of the pandemic, which you said would never end.
Wow! You think that Morrissey and Anne Marie Waters have nothing in common do you mean politically or just in general? I don't know how you know this. Maybe you should ask Morrissey how he feels about Anne Marie Waters these days and if he thinks they still have anything in common? I don't think any of us can speak for Morrissey! Only Morrissey and his creator God know what is going on in his mind. Maybe his close friends and family know. You say you have never met Morrissey yet you know him so intimately that you know what goes on in his brain and heart? Sometimes I find what you say a bit patronising towards Morrissey that he is so naive and so simple and so politically unaware that he doesn't know his own mind and is easily lead and manipulated by the lady you hate Anne Marie Waters. You seem to see Anne Marie Waters as an evil manipulative person. Also why do you swear? There is no need for swearing.
 
M

Musician

Guest
Wow! You think that Morrissey and Anne Marie Waters have nothing in common do you mean politically or just in general? I don't know how you know this. Maybe you should ask Morrissey how he feels about Anne Marie Waters these days and if he thinks they still have anything in common? I don't think any of us can speak for Morrissey! Only Morrissey and his creator God know what is going on in his mind. Maybe his close friends and family know. You say you have never met Morrissey yet you know him so intimately that you know what goes on in his brain and heart? Sometimes I find what you say a bit patronising towards Morrissey that he is so naive and so simple and so politically unaware that he doesn't know his own mind and is easily lead and manipulated by the lady you hate Anne Marie Waters. You seem to see Anne Marie Waters as an evil manipulative person. Also why do you swear? There is no need for swearing.
Uh-oh! Now Andrea is turning against Karen! What a turn of events :D
 

Peanut

Active Member
This is a pretty good academic study on the topic:


This paper has at least two massive flaws, namely assuming that Muslim emigrant fertility rates are fixed at a 'snapshot' high rate by looking at fertility in their native countries, and not taking into account the trend of lower fertility of 2nd and further generation immigrants in the host country.
Since Muslims have higher fertility (one child more per woman, on average) .. we will compute the newborn Muslim babies every five years.

They justify this by referencing the Pew writeup, which states,
(New Muslim migrants to Europe are assumed to have fertility rates that match those of Muslims in their destination countries; for more details, see Methodology.)

Note that the Pew projection is just talking about new immigrants, and furthermore it also fails to take into account the dynamic nature of fertility in origin countries - in fact looking at a snapshot of Pakistani and Bangladeshi fertility rates shows a clear and ongoing decline over the past 20 years.

Screenshot_2021-04-23_15-19-22.png


Now apart from this, the original paper also assumes that fertility rates of immigrants in host countries will remain equivalent to their native countries, without providing any evidence for this assumption.

In fact, there is good evidence that 2nd and further generation immigrants tend to converge closer to the average fertility rate (likely due to better education rates, lower levels of poverty and child mortality).

Even assuming some cultural aspects remain within further generations which favour larger families, the initial assumption of a fixed fertility rate is still wrong.

This is even explicitly stated by the Pew paper (below), but somehow the authors of the previous paper completely ignored it:
Over time, Muslim fertility rates are projected to decline, narrowing the gap with the non-Muslim population from a full child per woman today to 0.7 children between 2045 and 2050. This is because the fertility rates of second- and third-generation immigrants generally become similar to the overall rates in their adopted countries.

The wavelet analysis is also entirely irrelevant here when they're working off of such poor assumptions.
 
S

Speedwayvauxhall

Guest
I don’t think she said anything there that the majority of people would or could disagree. Let’s just look at the words take away the preconceived notions or opinions.

I stand with Morrissey
 

gashonthenail

Well-Known Member
This paper has at least two massive flaws, namely assuming that Muslim emigrant fertility rates are fixed at a 'snapshot' high rate by looking at fertility in their native countries, and not taking into account the trend of lower fertility of 2nd and further generation immigrants in the host country.


They justify this by referencing the Pew writeup, which states,


Note that the Pew projection is just talking about new immigrants, and furthermore it also fails to take into account the dynamic nature of fertility in origin countries - in fact looking at a snapshot of Pakistani and Bangladeshi fertility rates shows a clear and ongoing decline over the past 20 years.

View attachment 71447

Now apart from this, the original paper also assumes that fertility rates of immigrants in host countries will remain equivalent to their native countries, without providing any evidence for this assumption.

In fact, there is good evidence that 2nd and further generation immigrants tend to converge closer to the average fertility rate (likely due to better education rates, lower levels of poverty and child mortality).

Even assuming some cultural aspects remain within further generations which favour larger families, the initial assumption of a fixed fertility rate is still wrong.

This is even explicitly stated by the Pew paper (below), but somehow the authors of the previous paper completely ignored it:


The wavelet analysis is also entirely irrelevant here when they're working off of such poor assumptions.

You are so missing the point - and taking the scenic route to do so. Of course it is highly unlikely that current demographic trends will continue unchanged for the next 150 years. They might decrease. They might also increase. But current demographic trends (and their extrapolation into the future) are worthy of comment, aren't they? Hence AMW and her party. A party that Morrissey has endorsed. Doesn't make her a racist. Doesn't make Morrissey a racist. Anyone living in Europe has a right to comment and give a view on the demographics of current immigration to Europe.
 
D

Deleted member 29235

Guest
You are so missing the point - and taking the scenic route to do so. Of course it is highly unlikely that current demographic trends will continue unchanged for the next 150 years. They might decrease. They might also increase. But current demographic trends (and their extrapolation into the future) are worthy of comment, aren't they? Hence AMW and her party. A party that Morrissey has endorsed. Doesn't make her a racist. Doesn't make Morrissey a racist. Anyone living in Europe has a right to comment and give a view on the demographics of current immigration to Europe.
I'm generally not one for quoting UKIP but it's notable that even they wanted to distance themselves from AMW's Islamophobia. The then leader described them as "Nazis and racists." It's this Islamophobic racism that fuels AMW's and FB's 'interest' in demographic trends as they can use them to stoke up white annihilation/extinction fears to scare people into voting for them. It must be added though that it doesn't seem to be working.
 

Peanut

Active Member
You are so missing the point - and taking the scenic route to do so. Of course it is highly unlikely that current demographic trends will continue unchanged for the next 150 years. They might decrease. They might also increase. But current demographic trends (and their extrapolation into the future) are worthy of comment, aren't they? Hence AMW and her party. A party that Morrissey has endorsed. Doesn't make her a racist. Doesn't make Morrissey a racist. Anyone living in Europe has a right to comment and give a view on the demographics of current immigration to Europe.
Of course everyone has a right to comment. And I think people are absolutely entitled to voice their concerns over what they consider as excessive immigration, for example.

The point with AMW etc. is that they go to extremes in this, complete conspiracy theory mode. It's an excess of cynicism leading to irrationality. I mean it's fine to be cynical, but when it gets to the point that you're afraid of your own shadow, some questions surely must be raised.

A good example is her changing and contradictory attitudes towards Coronavirus - her initial videos on the subject a year ago were all about containing this new deadly threat - "we have a right to speak when it (Chinese practices) is spreading killer viruses all across the world", look what open borders has led to etc.

As it happens, quickly closing borders would have been the right thing to do - this was convenient enough though since it aligned with her existing beliefs.

However this accidental bout of incidental lucidity didn't last long, and as the year went by, she shifted to first the Trumpist conspiracy of Hydroxychloroquine being withheld due to it's effectiveness, Bill Gates' chip in vaccines etc., and now just a few days ago she's going full on with someone saying Covid mortalities are basically fake (simply looking at excess deaths alone repudiates this, no need to argue over what qualifies as mortality with Covid/from Covid).

Moz can do better than this.
 
A

Anonymous

Guest
🤒

the 4 dames in a flat is right off the Golden Girls reruns:hammer:
I was thinking if John Lennon was still alive he might of become friends with Morrissey. Morrissey was saying he has lost some high-profile friends. I don't think John Lennon would give up on people that easily when the going gets tough. There seems to be so much rejection and hurt. Rejection always hurts really badly like physical pain and it can make depression and anxiety worse. No true friend would do that.
 
V

Vegan Cro Spirit .777

Guest
🤒
you shouldnt have commie friends, theyll stab you at the drop of a hat, and claim they did it
for the class struggle or because mao or trotsky told them to or some similar absurdity :hammer:
 
Top Bottom