The Sunday Times: "Morrissey’s big mouth is a thorn in the side of his admirers" (July 16, 2023)

Morrissey’s big mouth is a thorn in the side of his admirers​

Former Smiths singer’s ‘flirtation’ with the hard right has led some fans to avoid his Vicar Street gigs

Morrissey, 64, and now a solo artist, plays two concerts at Vicar Street in Dublin this weekend

Morrissey, 64, and now a solo artist, plays two concerts at Vicar Street in Dublin this weekend
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Patrick O’Donoghue
Sunday July 16 2023, 12.01am, The Sunday Times

This charming man? Morrissey is back in town but his apparent hard-right political leanings have some Irish fans wondering if they can separate art from the artist. In a recent interview the star said the suggestion that he had hard-right views was “ludicrous”.

The former lead singer of the Smiths, now a successful solo artist, is in Dublin this weekend to play two sold-out gigs at Vicar Street to mark his 40 years in the music industry.

Morrissey, 64, is the son of working-class Irish Catholic emigrants who left Crumlin, Dublin, to settle in Manchester in the 1950s. A cousin of the former Ireland footballer Robbie Keane, he enjoys an affinity with Irish audiences — but his perceived flirtation with the hard right has led some fans to shun his shows.


He is without a recording deal after parting company with Capitol Records. Two albums, Bonfire of Teenagers and Without Music the World Dies, remain unreleased. Notre Dame, a song he has performed on stage in the past few weeks, led to online criticism because the lyrics appear to cast doubt on the official account of the cause of the 2019 blaze at the cathedral in Paris.
The fire has been the subject of conspiracy theories propagated by alt-right supporters, some of whom blame Islamic extremists. In a rendition of the song on YouTube, in which he holds up rosary beads, Morrissey sings: “Notre Dame, we know who tried to kill you . . . Notre Dame, we will not be silent. Before investigations, they said, ‘This is not terrorism!’” While Morrissey’s anti-royal and anti-Thatcher convictions won plaudits from sections of the Irish public early in his career, he has set many former acolytes against him by wearing the badge of the now-defunct For Britain party and supporting Anne Marie Waters, the hard-right, anti-Islam activist who led it. Separately he has expressed admiration for Nigel Farage, the former leader of Ukip and the nationalist Brexit Party.

“I was very surprised the other day — it was very interesting to me — to see Anne Marie Waters become head of Ukip. Oh no, sorry she didn’t. The voting was rigged. Sorry, I forgot . . . You didn’t get it, did you? You obviously don’t read the news,” he said in a live set on BBC Radio 6 Music in 2017, a comment that was met with bewildered silence by the audience.

Three years later, as the coronavirus pandemic took hold, Morrissey appeared at a London show against a backdrop of digitally altered images of his own album cover wearing a superimposed facemask next to the caption “You are the Quarantined”, a play on the album title You Are the Quarry which reached number two in the UK charts in 2004.

This year footage emerged of Morrissey appearing to berate a flight attendant on a plane to Dublin by clapping sarcastically and speaking over announcements after the aircraft was diverted to Shannon because of thunderstorms. He demanded to speak to the captain and to be let off the plane.

Michael O’Brien, a 47-year-old trade unionist from Dublin, said he now boycotted Morrissey gigs despite having followed his career for decades. He said the singer’s flirtation with hard-right ideology was a disappointment and seeing Morrissey live in America with the For Britain badge was “beyond the pale”.

“I love the music but not the musician, and I’m not going to Vicar Street,” O’Brien said. “I have thought about it a lot. My take on it is that the common thread with Morrissey is that he is a nostalgist, and the nostalgia did have a progressive left tint to it, in particular when he was with the Smiths: a kind of Coronation Street-style nostalgia for working-class life.

“But it has mutated into a different kind of nostalgia where he is uncomfortable with the multicultural direction in which British society went. That is the only way I can make sense of it.”

However, Jane Gaffney, a 24-year-old PhD student, said while she found some of Morrissey’s pronouncements “confusing or disappointing”, her love for him was unaffected. She began listening to his music at 14. “If people don’t love Morrissey they usually hate him. I get a lot of stick for it.”

She said Morrissey’s politics needed to be put into perspective. “There is a difference between saying things and doing things.”

Gaffney secured tickets for both Vicar Street gigs, marking her ninth and tenth times at a Morrissey concert. “He has something that goes beyond music almost,” she said.

Brian Ahern, 53, a civil servant, said he was aware of troubling remarks made by Morrissey but tried to “separate art from artist”.

“I always just go back to music. I like the songs, I like the music and how it inspires you. He is a good wordsmith. I know there is controversy but I really try not to go into that. He is a poet, that’s first and foremost for me.” Morrissey’s “rebellious spirit” was one of the main reasons he continued to be so popular with Irish audiences, Ahern said.

Elizabeth Dwyer, Morrissey’s mother and “best friend”, died in 2020. A holiday home he had bought for her in Cobh, Co Cork, sold for €575,000 this year.
 
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I'm not commenting on the content itself, but it's remarkable how standards of journalism have fallen in the last, say, fifteen years. What kind of qualifications and training does a person require to write this sort of drivel? I mean, this is The Sunday Times. If they can't write anything better than your average blogger, they might as well give up.
 
After 25 concerts, 3 tattoos, hosting a plethora of Moz/Smiths nights and birthday parties over 3 decades, I too will remain loyal because of the music.
 
tag line is based around people 'staying away' but also mentions it was sold out... he can do fine without them.
 
Incidentally, whatever actually happened in the case of Notre Dame, arson in churches across Europe has become a big problem in recent years, though, of course, news sources like the Guardian and the BBC don't seem very interested in this. One has to look elsewhere:

https://www2.cbn.com/news/news/churches-desecrated-ongoing-attacks-across-europe

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...losing-one-religious-building-every-two-weeks

https://catholicherald.co.uk/will-t...church-anti-christian-attacks-rise-in-europe/

And so on.
 
A hodge podge re-raking of old news and they call it 'journalism'? That Michael O'Brien sounds like a pathetic piss-spraying twat. It beggars belief why an artist needs to share the EXACT same views and opinions as his fans. Besides, Moz was right about some of the things he said about quarantine. We were enslaved. We were treated like prisoners while law makers had their parties and felt each other up and down the garden.

Why is Michael O'Briens little snowflake opinion important anyway? I don't see 'journalists' asking me why I don't go to Garth Brooks concerts.

Vicar Street looked plenty packef to me on Sat night. I bet the 'journalist' wasn't even there. So what's the point of his hamfisted festering fraudulent hatchet piece?
 
Find a socialist worker/trade union crank and build an article around their quotes.

Morrissey’s ‘discomfort’ is shared by the majority of British people. It’s hardly hard right.

“he is uncomfortable with the multicultural direction in which British society went.”
 
“his perceived flirtation with the hard right has led some fans to shun his shows.”

= they spoke to one ex fan who won’t go to his gigs anymore 🤣🤣
 
Blah blah blah boring. Same o same o.. who hasn't say something out of your comfort zone ?? Hypocrites.
 
Cancel culture is taking a long time to disappear up its own arse like an outraged ouroboros.

Ouroboros-Snake-Eating-Its-Tail-Infinity-Symbol.jpg


Ouroboros, ouroboros
Would you work for me?
I have got to say hello
To any friend

Ouroboros, ouroboros, ouroboros
Would you work for me?
I have got to get through
To some good friend

Well, they have now gone
From me to their unhappy planet
With all the snowflakes
And the cancellers on it

Ouroboros, ouroboros, ouroboros
Would you help me?
Because I still do feel
So horribly lonely

Would you, ouroboros
Would you, ouroboros
Would you help me?
And I just can't find
My place in this woke world
Some have now gone
From my fanbase
With all their carnivore friends
And cancel culture cretins

Oh you can't hear my voice ("hear my voice")
Oh you can't hear my voice ("hear my voice")
They can't bear my voice ("hear my voice"
Hear my voice ("hear my voice")
The tables are turning...
The stampede is rumbling
The worm is turning
"No, I was not pushing that time"
It spells : V.I.V.A. M.O.Z
 
Being a fan of Morrissey for all these years, I didn't have anyone to share it with besides either people I managed to get 'into' his music (only a few, as you all would assume), or people here on Solo. Thus, my love for Morrissey has always been something I kept special to my heart, and mostly private.

I never needed to know (for example) the names of his parents, the street he grew up on, the fact that he didn't eat meat, who his lovers were, etc. Those things were never important to me, and they're still not. I don't think there's anything that he could do, say, or believe in that would make me turn his music off. And just by the music alone - even with a possible lackluster new LP, I would still listen to my faves.
 
Being a fan of Morrissey for all these years, I didn't have anyone to share it with besides either people I managed to get 'into' his music (only a few, as you all would assume), or people here on Solo. Thus, my love for Morrissey has always been something I kept special to my heart, and mostly private.

I never needed to know (for example) the names of his parents, the street he grew up on, the fact that he didn't eat meat, who his lovers were, etc. Those things were never important to me, and they're still not. I don't think there's anything that he could do, say, or believe in that would make me turn his music off. And just by the music alone - even with a possible lackluster new LP, I would still listen to my faves.
Exactly my thougts. I like some of the music he likes or films/books he likes, but that's about it.

His opinions on other things like the meat industry, record companies, the legal world or politics are just that to me, his opinions. It doesn't come even close to have an impact on whether or not I like his music. I cannot and will never understand how it could work otherwise?
 
Exactly my thougts. I like some of the music he likes or films/books he likes, but that's about it.

His opinions on other things like the meat industry, record companies, the legal world or politics are just that to me, his opinions. It doesn't come even close to have an impact on whether or not I like his music. I cannot and will never understand how it could work otherwise?

I know. We're very fortunate to see it like that, otherwise we'd miss out on what might be a great twilight of his career. How can you make this long of an investment only to walk away? It was his 'way with words' and his voice that brought us here to begin with. Why turn against him now? His life has always been his own, not ours. His chosen profession though --- that's why we should really love him in the first place.
 
Exactly my thougts. I like some of the music he likes or films/books he likes, but that's about it.

His opinions on other things like the meat industry, record companies, the legal world or politics are just that to me, his opinions. It doesn't come even close to have an impact on whether or not I like his music. I cannot and will never understand how it could work otherwise?
I completely don’t understand how peoples’ opinions are meant to define them. Like you say, they are just opinions.

It doesn’t matter what good you do in the world, how nice a person you are etc it all comes down to which set of views you have so that people can either hear their opinions coming out of your mouth or they hear the wrong views so they can try and bring you down and make you a persona non grata.

It’s seems that a lot of people have this weird borderline personality thing going on where they see the world in a very simplistic black and white way, where in their narcissism they say “I don’t enjoy X so nobody else is allowed to either! and just simply enjoying X or having a photo taken with X or liking one particular thing X said on Twitter makes you a problematic person. They live on a tiny isolated island without any of the nuances or complexities in their head associated with intelligent people who have complex beliefs or ideas.

Rant over, where did I put the rum?
 
It’s seems that a lot of people have this weird borderline personality thing going on where they see the world in a very simplistic black and white way, where in their narcissism they say “I don’t enjoy X so nobody else is allowed to either! and just simply enjoying X or having a photo taken with X or liking one particular thing X said on Twitter makes you a problematic person. They live on a tiny isolated island without any of the nuances or complexities in their head associated with intelligent people who have complex beliefs or ideas.

Yep, and that has always been the case. They've always existed. It's a psychological term called 'Splitting'. Most of the world is grey, not black and white. The easy 'black and white/right and wrong' decisions (like don't murder) - they are very few in number. Most of life is 'grey', circumstantial. Ultimately, I've learned that 'splitters' who see only 'black and white' were mere passengers through their lives' adventures, but they didn't actually live them.

The big problem is that those who lack real substance outnumber those with it. This has always the case as well. But, don't let that upset you too much - and keep seeking truth.
 
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