Re: Mel Gibson, Morrissey, Tom Jones
3 legends!
Beautiful Morrissey
3 legends!
Beautiful Morrissey
So the weak have greater protection? Is it then more barbaric to kill a small female than a man who is twice her size?
Singer claims it is morally wrong to kill an intelligent being over a lesser one regardless if it is an animal or human. An infant is not as cognitively developed as an adult. And the genius trumps the disabled individual. And clearly an ape is more aware than a vegetative human.
But you seem to be both arguing that it is about intelligence and defenselessness. And talking more about the horror of death rather than the quality of life.
Is your argument about a creature's intrinsic intelligence making it worthy of life? Or that its intelligence makes its death worse?
Is it OK to kill an animal to save a human life?
a) the Tariji dolphin hunt results in the death of approx 2000 dolphins a year.
b) the species of dolphins hunted and killed are not on the endangered list.
c) killing practices have changed. Dolphins are killed with a pin to head which is considered to be more humane.
d) although some dolphins are killed for food (the Japanese appetite for dolphin is declining), more money is made by keeping the animals alive and exporting them.
e) recent and repeated studies have found that consumption doesn't cause any kind of poisoning.
Oh but hey, don't let facts get in the way eh?
Would it be morally wrong to kill and eat Mel Gibson?
Actually, Rowntree, I am away from home most of the day and can't respond to your last post until tonight.
c) killing practices have changed. Dolphins are killed with a pin to head which is considered to be more humane.
Would it be morally wrong to kill and eat Mel Gibson?
Is that the same "pin" used to "humanely kill" cattle? The animal is not killed, it is stunned; it's like having a stroke. The heart is still beating. This is done this way so that the heart beats and the blood is quickly drained from the animal. So, the animal is very much alive while being eviscerated. Those who work in the slaughterhouses can tell you how the cow is hanging upside down, blinking its eyes, while they saw off its hooves.
Is that the same "pin" used to "humanely kill" cattle? The animal is not killed, it is stunned; it's like having a stroke. The heart is still beating. This is done this way so that the heart beats and the blood is quickly drained from the animal. So, the animal is very much alive while being eviscerated. Those who work in the slaughterhouses can tell you how the cow is hanging upside down, blinking its eyes, while they saw off its hooves.
No. The pin or metal rod is supposed to sever the spinal cord causing death in seconds.
A team of dolphins found a gold torpedo off the coast of Coronado recently. The Navy has trained them to find underwater mines and foreign objects.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-torpedo-dolphins-20130518,0,7621822.story
Why are we killing them with a metal rod in the their spinal cord? Oh yeah, they eat fish which makes fisherman money.
Is that the same "pin" used to "humanely kill" cattle? The animal is not killed, it is stunned; it's like having a stroke. The heart is still beating. This is done this way so that the heart beats and the blood is quickly drained from the animal. So, the animal is very much alive while being eviscerated. Those who work in the slaughterhouses can tell you how the cow is hanging upside down, blinking its eyes, while they saw off its hooves.
You've got a bit of time on your hands today RB
I can give a view on what seems more barbaric to me, this is easy as it's an emotive response, I can't tell you which person should die before another because it doesn't seem like a very logical debate to have. Is one person's life worth more than another's? I don't think so but I think if you get into a fist fight with somebody the same size it's less barbaric than picking on somebody half your size or mentally retarded.
As for what we choose to kill and eat, well we don't have to kill and eat any animal and that's my personal view, it seems worse to me to kill and animal of a higher intelligence so I would choose the dolphin to survive before a goldfish and a dog before a beetle. Are their lives worth more? Of course they aren't, putting value on life in these ways is a purely human invention. If we were still wild then these ideas would carry more weight but we control everything around us so we have to make choices of what's right and what's wrong unless we just want to destroy everything around us.
Finally, if I was in the wild and it was a toss up between me dying of hunger or me killing, cooking and eating an animal then there's no choice to make. Also if it's a choice between being killed or killing then I think that killing is justified - whether against an animal or human. As rational beings though we can make choices, yours may not be the same as mine but neither will be right because it's all a matter of personal choice no matter what Peter Singer says.
No, but it would be a stale bitter taste, like vegemite and old Foster's. I'd rather eat Morrissey's testicles.
Rowntree, your posts are always thoughtful, articulate, and civil. So regardless if your views differ from my own, I respect your opinions and appreciate you sharing them on the forums.
I agree that what Peter Singer thinks is irrelevant. But I do think he is a great thinker and find his insights to be thought provoking.
You sound like you have a fairly balanced perspective when it comes to animal rights. You are sensitive yet also able to also retain degree of rationality and reasonableness.
Rowntree, your posts are always thoughtful, articulate, and civil. So regardless if your views differ from my own, I respect your opinions and appreciate you sharing them on the forums.
I agree that what Peter Singer thinks is irrelevant. But I do think he is a great thinker and find his insights to be thought provoking.
You sound like you have a fairly balanced perspective when it comes to animal rights. You are sensitive yet also able to also retain degree of rationality and reasonableness.
Thanks, reading back my Peter Singer comment was a bit obtuse but it wasn't intentional, and throwing him into the mix does get you thinking!
From touring with Morrissey? Or her dead mother's estate? Just a failed European keepin' it classy, folks.